Joint Forces Teamworkday Discussion / Feedback

[MoulinKiller]

It would be nice to see some KSK, OD-S, PRTA guys going for CO the next JFTDs...

KSK Eichhoernsche,... always there when you need him

[Buschpilot453]

Well im not whining because i didnt even took part in this round. I just joined in and realized it was quite unbalanced. Thats somewhat a fact when u win with around 600 tickets.

And ya most of the time we just dont have the manpower to provide a cmdr, we are just a small bunch of guys. Yesterday Eichhoernsche, one of our guys, was cmdr on silent eagle as mentioned before.

...and dont call me jungleboy

first read,think, then write

[fecht_niko]

The Problem is that there is no bigger group on the JFTD...

[Nate]

I think insulting really is not necessary here.
Every round ending with <200 tickets is a more or less balanced round in my opinion.

Mariachi, I can understand when you as a commander decide to step down from your position. It is quite frustrating when you spot everything, report everything and yet your teams does fuck-all. I would not want to be associated to have been CO of such a team And as I said some pages earlier - resigning and kicking everyone that is not following orders is not helpful either. A headless squad won't do better than a squad without a squadleader that follows CO orders.

=> Scrolling rules ingame? Updated server description when loading? Spamming 'enforced Teamwork' !s command? Restarting map for briefing? Did you implement that?

If people keep complaining, I suggest to rename the server with pw: "Free for all EVENT pw: newcommunity.eu" or similar - and put the password after the rules, like TG did.

[Fizzco]

I would say you password the server and hand it out on your forums and the realitymod forums ( or just keep it the same and simple)

I don't mean to sound like an elitist prick but it is usually the pubbies that seem to be causing the problems, unaware of the teamwork aspect of the night and not listening and participating in the teamwork.

If you really want to sort out the balance issues i would suggest you get all clans on teamspeak half an hour before and organise it that way.

[ELmariachi]

I would say you password the server and hand it out on your forums and the realitymod forums ( or just keep it the same and simple)

I don't mean to sound like an elitist prick but it is usually the pubbies that seem to be causing the problems, unaware of the teamwork aspect of the night and not listening and participating in the teamwork.

If you really want to sort out the balance issues i would suggest you get all clans on teamspeak half an hour before and organise it that way.

thats what i am praying for weeks now.. but some are scared the server wont get full..

[Rage]

And as I said some pages earlier - resigning and kicking everyone that is not following orders is not helpful either. A headless squad won't do better than a squad without a squadleader that follows CO orders.

As i said some pages earlier, if the squad is not following the commander orders if the orders aren't completely ridiculous and under special circumstance if they are but they are well justified, well then you can kick one after another until you have one who is willing to follow.

But in my opinion thats only a communication problem as usual. When i was commander i never had a squad which was not following my orders which was responding and had a mic! So if there is communication and you can explain your plan they always follow or even suggest better ideas.
Not following squads are always or usually non-mics.

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Qwai: joined when Vadso was loading

Vadso: Doing supps in the beginning. CAS later on with Moulin and Tripple as SL/Spotter.
To use Currys favorite word but i like it and its one of the most important keys to have a winner team in PR, proactive: We had way to little proactive SLs and as a result of course way to less comms at least i noticed that in that really short time i was commander.

Now to the CAS incident and not following orders:
First of all it was communication failure which wouldn't happended if i talked directly to you but since Tripple was SL/Spotter Moulin and I weren't aware of the urgent real serious order to attack mortars covered by AAs everywhere, from were we just managed to escape burning and almost didn't make it back. So you wanted the CAS to attack again without a direct laze on the AA with a APC next to it on the hill and a handheld running around aswell as confirmed early by the Neander.

Again from where we just escaped burning!!

Sorry for taking that order not serious and instead completely ridiculous.
From my littel CAS experience i can promise you that would have been suicide and Moulin agrees to that.

Instead of leaving the game you could have talked to us in TS in the first place but no you quit the game first got butthurt and telling me then in TS how bad you wanted us to attack and all sux and so on...

Next time you tell me directly you dont care if the CAS will survive this and we will sacrifice it for mortars not even sure if it succeeds and its still totally ridiculous but we will do that only one time. But keep in mind as you want to have fun, i want to have fun aswell and suiciding is not my understanding of having fun!

Next time sent in a spotter who lazes at least one AA in the area exactly or let our team built mortars and counter them but running away is in my opinion is just weak!

Dont be such a pussy running away from problems we need every skilled SL/Comm and member and you are one! ;)



Silent Eagle: Good job KSK Eichhoernchen in commanding. There were some coms but still too less proactive SLs in my opinion. I really liked it though but couldnt play until the end of the round.


All in all for me it was balanced. Dont know why people are all the time whining about balance as already someone mentione everything under 150-180 tickets is balanced for me.

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I have no problem with testing the Password Option but we have to announce it early enough!

Cheers
Rage

[ELmariachi]

Now to the CAS incident and not following orders:
First of all it was communication failure which wouldn't happended if i talked directly to you but since Tripple was SL/Spotter Moulin and I weren't aware of the urgent real serious order to attack mortars covered by AAs everywhere, from were we just managed to escape burning and almost didn't make it back. So you wanted the CAS to attack again without a direct laze on the AA with a APC next to it on the hill and a handheld running around aswell as confirmed early by the Neander.

Well Tripple was your SL and he told me all i am saying is getting to you in realtime. After the Havoc went down you guys flew over the target witout waiting for me to get rdy and lase.. so this wasnt my bad that you guys almost got shot down. wait for me and green light before attacking targets..

Sorry for taking that order not serious and instead completely ridiculous.
From my littel CAS experience i can promise you that would have been suicide and Moulin agrees to that.

So you think my orders a ridicolous? Well that confuses me cause i led Teams for a very long time and i am aware of the threats and sacrefices which need to be done.. The Mortars detroyed the whole depolyment and we lost more tickets while debating with you at this point the Apache is worth at all.. Even the Flag we lost is more worth than your little Toy.. But i had the exact position of the mortarpits and the nme AA was deployed right next to them but every time i lased the target you denied the attack.. You guys talk so much about you Piloting skills and you are scared to attack a Marked and lased important Tarket?! And you call me pussy..

Instead of leaving the game you could have talked to us in TS in the first place but no you quit the game first got butthurt and telling me then in TS how bad you wanted us to attack and all sux and so on

Wtf?! I was talking to you over TS3 to get you direct on the Horn.. But you still refused to attack.. then i left!

Next time you tell me directly you dont care if the CAS will survive this and we will sacrifice it for mortars not even sure if it succeeds and its still totally ridiculous but we will do that only one time. But keep in mind as you want to have fun, i want to have fun aswell and suiciding is not my understanding of having fun

You are the only one who talks about suicide! The Targets were bunched up marked and lased.. easy targets for good Pilots.. You attacked so many Fobs with AA before i had full trust in you to survive that attack.. I was the commander when the attack went wrong i am responsible for the asset loss not you.. I gave you the Order.. so whats the point? With a succesful attack the team had a chance to regroup rebuild and defend the flag..

Next time sent in a spotter who lazes at least one AA in the area exactly or let our team built mortars and counter them but running away is in my opinion is just weak

LOL... I WAS LASING THE DAMN TARGETS!!!

Dont be such a pussy running away from problems we need every skilled SL/Comm and member and you are one

Well you calling me pussy? who ran away from the problems? it wasnt me!" it was you Rage.. I just left a game that didnt entertained my with pleassure.. We need every good SL/COM? Then why ignoring my orders and call them Ridiculous?!

[K4on]

Hey ho, whats going on in here? Where is all the love we spread on earlier JFTDs?

Guess I gotta have some rounds and lead my team to victory again.
Will be there next thursday.

[Rage]

who ran away from the problems?

It was not me leaving the Server and the postion as Commander so you ran away from the mortar problem! Leaving your Team alone because of one little stone in your way instead of searching for a solution!

so this wasnt my bad that you guys almost got shot down. wait for me and green light before attacking targets..

You know that there are other SLs who can call in CAS support? We were engaging the APC first which was marked above the hill next to SL 3 and next to the mortars to not get rapped by it when we attack the mortar postion later on. That was the plan! But then we almost got shot down by the AA and another AA in the area. So we decided not to engage there again!!

So do you think now that we have your greenlight to attack there AGAIN your greenlight makes the AAs disappear which almost shot us down? Thats the point you dont get!

LOL... I WAS LASING THE DAMN TARGETS!!!

And the second one ist that it is NOT enough to just laze the AA approximiteley when engaging it a SECOND time when he is completley aware that we are coming!

You have to put the marker EXACTLY on it machi!! Exactly damn it! Because you have no time to wait to see the laze and then search for the AA it must be fucking exactly!! And then we go in with LT and before we see the ground and he even knows what happen he would be dead! Else the CAS would be gone in no time like almost before!

So you think my orders a ridicolous? Well that confuses me cause i led Teams for a very long time and i am aware of the threats and sacrefices which need to be done

Machi dont generalize it! You are doing a really good job as Commander and will do but this specific order was ridiculous. To sent in CAS to the very same location where it just almost died (bruning) due to multiple AAs and still a unconfirmed destroyed APC in the area with a lazer just approximiteley around one AA is suicide!

And to not attacking there is not running away it is easy calculation of risks!

If you dont see that i cant help you!

Hey ho, whats going on in here? Where is all the love we spread on earlier JFTDs?

It is still there we are just sorting things out what went wrong!

No love without hate!